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Old 02-07-2011, 04:02 PM
Caroline Caroline is offline Selecting styled text Windows XP Selecting styled text Office 2007
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Thanks, Ulo - I'll give it a try.



Any hints about what kind of havoc it creates with styles? This is my first foray into Word 2007, and I'm not sure about the skill levels of the people who will be using the templates I'm developing...

Appreciate your help!
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Old 02-08-2011, 07:29 AM
Ulodesk Ulodesk is offline Selecting styled text Windows 7 Selecting styled text Office 2007
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This is a somewhat thorny issue. In fact, I just posted an issue respecting this the other day, to which no one has responded. Here's a quick overview, with enough to pursue it further on the MVPS website (probably not updated for 2007) or otherwise.

Formatting is not the same as a style, and paragraph styles are different from character styles. When a para style is applied to less than a complete paragraph (including the final pilcrow, or paragraph mark), a new character style is created. If you para style was, say, Body, the new character style would have the name Body char, and the chars would start adding up, along with occasional Body's, as you continued the practice. In Word 2007, the designers created what they call linked styles, which, in a sense, legitimizes this confusion. Some think it's great; I'm in the other camp.

"Keep track of formatting" is an open door to building long lists of similar style names.

Depending on your needs for Word, this may be a problem or not. When a long document gets filled up with such junk styles, as opposed the proper styles, the potential becomes greater for Word to get confused, so to speak, and for styles to start behaving strangely. Don't ask me what's actually going on in the background; I'm not a programmer by a long shot. Just imagine being a school teacher with five Amy's in the class and what could occur.

Part of my job is maintaining clean templates and documents (often long and complex ones), so I deal with these issues all the time. Word is more stable than it used to be, as is Windows 7 over XP, and documents with lots of junk, or superfluous styles that have been imported by authors pasting instead of "pasting special" as unformatted text, may remain stable more than they used to, but it's still tempting fate.
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Old 02-15-2011, 12:04 PM
Caroline Caroline is offline Selecting styled text Windows XP Selecting styled text Office 2007
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Thanks, Ulo - great information!

I'm with you; it sounds like a nightmare. In my last job, I spent many (many, many, many...) hours cleaning up exactly that kind of garbage in preparation for generating 508-compliant PDFs...I suspect that setting might have made a difference, but we didn't know about it.

I'll definitely clear it before I release these templates to the users!

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Old 02-15-2011, 12:55 PM
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To the extent you can manage to get users to clear their Keep track of formatting check boxes, too, by all means do so.

One thing about "char" styles. It's sometimes hard to remove them. You can appear to remove them, in the usual way, without doing so in fact, and with the new linked styles, who knows?

Allen Wyatt (Wordtips.com) provides a macro in his Word Macros book (which is very extensive and quite inexpensive), but I have had mixed results with it. Whether it needs to be updated for 2007, I don't know.

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