I think you missed the point of what I was saying. My #2 method is not opening two documents and closing one. It is just opening one document. This would mean there doesn't need to be a parent template which opens a secondary template.

Showing a userform at startup is pretty simple, just name the macro that calls it either AutoOpen or AutoNew depending on whether you want to see it every time you open the doc or just when you are creating a new file.

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Andrew Lockton
Chrysalis Design, Melbourne Australia