The user does not want to see the title but the title contains unique text that is the "marker" to identify the section that might need to be deleted with a macro. It can't be deleted manually by the user as the text is in a protected section that is read-only. I've not given all the details because I did not want to get into to all the whys and wherefores and just muddy the water when all I wanted was to know how to programmatically get the background color so the font color of the text would be the same and would disappear even if the user changed the background cover.