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Old 04-26-2011, 03:17 PM
Jamal NUMAN Jamal NUMAN is offline The text in the two columns are not in the same level!!!! why? Windows XP The text in the two columns are not in the same level!!!! why? Office 2007
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The text in the two columns are not in the same level!!!! why?

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Hi Jamal,

Probably due to widow/orphan control and possibly also your document's Layout options (see under Word Options|Advanced > Compatability Options). For the latter, checking either or both of the 'supress extra line spacing at top/bottom of page' options might have an effect.
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You could make sure that you haven't got changes in line spacings somewhere in the pages shown. Also, if you have some inserted scaleable object (image, table, equation?) near the top of the right hand page (not visible in your image) this could push the text below it down by an amount that does not equal the set line spacing, causing it to lose its alignment with the left hand page, in which case you might restore the alignment by adjustments to the inserted object.
(Should it not be "There is a wide variety of researches..."?)
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Old 04-27-2011, 05:50 AM
Jamal NUMAN Jamal NUMAN is offline The text in the two columns are not in the same level!!!! why? Windows XP The text in the two columns are not in the same level!!!! why? Office 2007
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You could make sure that you haven't got changes in line spacings somewhere in the pages shown. Also, if you have some inserted scaleable object (image, table, equation?) near the top of the right hand page (not visible in your image) this could push the text below it down by an amount that does not equal the set line spacing, causing it to lose its alignment with the left hand page, in which case you might restore the alignment by adjustments to the inserted object.
(Should it not be "There is a wide variety of researches..."?)
Thank you for the answer Paul.

I've attached the file just in case your time permits to have a look

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Not sure if you want me to look (you quote my offering) or Paul. Hope Paul can because my ancient MSWord97 won't open .docx files. I did convert it to a pre-Word 2007 .doc file using an online converter and I found I could scale your table but not very finely. However you might try this: put your cursor before the paragraph immediately after your table/graph ("Where C ...") and then go to Format: Paragraph. My 97 version then has a Spacing option (not the line spacing), try entering something into the Before slot (I tried a few but 11.0 or 11.1pt did help the alignment).
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Old 04-27-2011, 07:43 AM
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Just like macropod told you, it's Widow /Orphan control.

If you want to change it:
Click anywhere in that paragraph (the one that is partially in the first column, partially in the second column), then clcik the paragraph dialog box launcher. Uncheck Widow / Orphan control on the Line and Page Breaks tab.
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Old 04-27-2011, 08:28 AM
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Just like macropod told you, it's Widow /Orphan control.
Of course I did try this but it made no difference in Word97, maybe it's an Office 2007+ thing. Besides, in my converted .doc file from Jamal's .docx file the alignment is fine until after the equation. That's when it goes wrong.
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Hi Jamal,

As I said, it's due to widow/orphan control. If you turn off the widow/orphan control for that paragraph, only one line will go to the top of the next column. Alternatively, you could change the Section break's font size to 5pt or less and both lines would then fit into the first column.

Perhaps more importantly, though, your top and bottom margins and header/footer dimensions are so small that many printers will be unable to print their contents. In both cases, the text starts within about 0.5cm of the edge of the page. Many printers don't reliably print any closer than 0.635cm from the paper's edge. When setting up the page layout, you really do need to keep the range of all the printers on which the document might be printed in mind.
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Hi Jamal,

As I said, it's due to widow/orphan control. If you turn off the widow/orphan control for that paragraph, only one line will go to the top of the next column. Alternatively, you could change the Section break's font size to 5pt or less and both lines would then fit into the first column.

Perhaps more importantly, though, your top and bottom margins and header/footer dimensions are so small that many printers will be unable to print their contents. In both cases, the text starts within about 0.5cm of the edge of the page. Many printers don't reliably print any closer than 0.635cm from the paper's edge. When setting up the page layout, you really do need to keep the range of all the printers on which the document might be printed in mind.
it did work! thank you

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Old 04-28-2011, 03:27 AM
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Hi Jamal,

It may have worked for that page, but it won't necessarily work for every page. Eventually, you're likely to have one or more pages where the last few lines in a paragraph start in the next column and leave an empty space at the botton of the column in which the rest of the paragraph resides. The only way around that would be to use more Section breaks and adjust each one's font/paragraph spacing to get the look you want. But that makes subsequent editing a real pain.
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Hi Jamal,

It may have worked for that page, but it won't necessarily work for every page. Eventually, you're likely to have one or more pages where the last few lines in a paragraph start in the next column and leave an empty space at the botton of the column in which the rest of the paragraph resides. The only way around that would be to use more Section breaks and adjust each one's font/paragraph spacing to get the look you want. But that makes subsequent editing a real pain.
I've just noted that Paul. (attached)

unfortunate, MS-Word is not achieving all our dreams!

are we back all the time for manual work to fix such problems?

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Old 04-28-2011, 03:53 AM
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Hi Jamal,

The important thing to remember is that MS Word is a wordprocessor, not a page layout application. Still, it does give a good page layout when that is considered.

With your document, some judicious editing of the paragraph in question could decrease the number of lines by one, causing it to all fit within the column, or you might add another line or two of text and the extra lines thus produced would fill the first column. This is the kind of editing that is best left until you're at the final draft stage.
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Jamal, I have probably been trying to fix the wrong thing if it is a widows and orphans issue. I had assumed you were referring to the fact that, while each line of text in the two columns above the equations is perfectly lined up - i.e. you could lay a ruler across the page and underline text in both columns simultaneously with single pencil lines, you cannot do this in the lower half of the page below the equation. A pencil line drawn to underline text in the lower half of the left column (below the level of the equation) could not be extended to underline text on the right because it misses - the lines of text are not level. Widows and orphans control cannot fix that (in my '97 conversion of your .docx file anyway). W & O only affects how the text from the left column spills into the right, and could cause the right hand column to start a line down, but the text further down the page on the right should still line up with the text on the left. Deleting the equations does fix the issue I was trying to solve - it lines text across the columns nicely - suggesting that they are causing the problem I was trying to fix. Update!! I have just seen your latest .jpg and it looks as if your supervisor/proof reader is objecting to the lines not being level across the page judging by the big cross! So it might be a format picture issue?
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Hi PetMice,

If inter-columnar horizontal alignment was an issue, the simple fix would be to adjust the size of the font in the empty paragraph immediately above the first equation - 5pt or 15pt would do it.
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Hi Macropod, the Mice bow to the Kangaroo, changing a line's font would be a simpler fix than mine (changing the lead space before the para following the equations). Trouble is, the horizontal alignment is not exactly a half line out. I tried your suggestion on Jamal's file using different fonts but it wouldn't let me specify font sizes more accurately than by 0.5 increments and I couldn't get perfect horizontal alignment. If horizontal alignment is the issue, a para lead space of 14.1 pt before the "Where" gives a reasonable result.
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