Re: Word 97



I need to prepare a legal document and the Court requires numbers on the left.

I have all my narrative typed up BUT no numbers appear on the side of the document.
I also downloaded a BLANK Pdf document with numbers on the side which "appears to" meet the Courts requirements.

QUESTION:
1) Is it best to copy the PDF document with numbers, put it in my printer and then Print my document on that paper.
If so, I MAY have some Conflicts between my document and the pre-printed numbers.

(a) How do I know what my Margin Settings should be so I don't over write the numbers ?
(b) If my margins are Wrong, I assume, I will need to re-Format my document?

2) Since Word 97 MACROs are NOT available (Word 97 does NOT have a Trust area) and Microsoft in Win-10 has disabled Macros (UNLESS SOMEONE KNOWS A WORKAROUND), a template is NOT an Option.

Would it be better to put the Courts Number requirement as part of the document AND if so HOW?

Thanks.

Have you looked the 'Numbering library'? This is alongside the 'Bullets' where you can specify how the number appears. 'Numbered' lists will automatically indent but you can adjust the amount of indent for both number and text.
First of all highlight the text to be numbered and remember that if there is a hard return at the end of any line then the next line will have the next number applied to it.
See photo: -

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Thank for Time and Reply.


Tried your suggestion BUT did NOT come out as required by Courts UNLESS I'm doing something wrong.


The numbers has to be on the left, than a Vertical Separator line down the page, and then the text after that line with Text positioned at each line number.


Per your example, and my test the bullet numbering, it does provide the numbers, BUT NO Vertical Line. I also noted that selecting the default bullet box that show Numbers, while it did place the numbers (as in your example), if an indent occurred -- such as when centering the header -- the number was NOT left justified. Also of note is I have several lines where I use a separators (e.g. ========) and Most interesting it numbered SOME but Not All (skipped some of the lines with =========).

Is this what you are after?: -

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As regards "centering the header -- the number was NOT left justified": -
I would have thought a center justified header would just be a 'Header' and not part of a numbered list so numbering needs to be turned off for a header and then restarted again after that point.

Is this an option?

1) Using numbering an Pipes may be a solution.
2) For headers that require numbers I can just indent them instead of
using the centering selection.


Here's a common example:

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blankpleadingpaper.pdf (2.8 KB, 10 views)

Yes but, if using the same numbering system (with pipes) for headers then the numbers following will change. If I number the header then the '6' becomes a '7' and if I change the numbering to 'Start again' then the '6' becomes a '2'.

It's only if I a different numbering system for headers than the rest of the document that it works. See photo. The header uses the '1.' numbering whilst the other text uses the '1. ¦' numbering system.

There are some really good experts on this forum so maybe they will help better.

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Thanks for all your help.
I did find a Free docx pleading paper on the internet.
Has numbers and lines.
Just played a bit with it having little trouble getting text to line up,
so will pursue that with your suggestion using pipes as an alternate.



As you point out, maybe someone more knowledgeable will respond.


Stay Safe.

The technical term for the line on the left (or right) is a "rule."
You do not want to use the pipe character but rather a line in the header.

Numbers were originally done in the headers (Word 95 - Word 97). Most people do them now using the line numbering option. That, however, is not uniform, giving numbers for actual lines of text, rather than uniformly spacing down the page. To do this in Word 97 you would use a borderless frame or textbox in the header in a Word template and then use that template as base for new documents.

• Templates in Microsoft Word
• Recap of Header-Footer Settings
• Frames and Textboxes in Microsoft Word

I am an attorney in a jurisdiction that does not require such for pleadings. Such numbers still are used here in transcripts. I am a throwback who does use rules in his pleadings. I will, if you want, produce such a template for you with 26 numbers in the Courier New font on the left side of the page.

If you are not an attorney, I am amazed that a court is requiring to follow formal rules. If you are, you really need to upgrade your software because Office 97 is not secure.

Mr. Kenyon:
Thanks again for responding on my behalf.

I am NOT an attorney, former CPA.
Need to file a small $ complaint > small claims, and attorney cost would eat up all I'm suing for.

In Arizona, I just pulled up Rules of Civil Procedure 5.2 and am just trying to follow the Court instructions.
Nothing in therm about Non_Attorneys not following those rules.
If I DON"T NEED IT, than solves a lot of issues as have most everything done and believe formatted to their standard.
FWIW court requires 28 lines.
Am attaching the docx template file if it will upload (will try a zip if not).
I just couldn't get the lines to match even after going out to the net and
someone saying "In Paragraph, need to set Line Spacing Exacting at 12pt or 24pt (double)"
I selected New Times Roman.

Because of my age, and this is a singular requirement, and Word 97 has met my needs all these year, hate to upgrade just for this action. Can do it offline if needed security wise but never had a virus/malware.


The template came from the California Law Library web site.

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pleadingpaper-blank-menu.docx (14.1 KB, 9 views)

Here is a temporary link to your attachment as a .dot template.
Dropbox - pleadingpaper-blank-menu.dot - Simplify your life


It uses a textbox and some lines in the header, as expected.

I remember those days.
You also probably remember the old punch card days with computers.
When I started we didn't even have collators which put the text at the top of the card.


==============
Re: Bellingham. Must be Wrong as looked at a WI city name list.
Was on the WI and MN border though, and outside of a really small community at that time.


Thanks again for your efforts on my behalf.


Stay Safe.

FYI
Some time back I downloaded an update to handle docx.
SaveAs shows various formats up to and including Word 2007 docx.
Not sure how compatible this is for newer versions.

PROBLEM WITH ALIGNMENT

1) With the doc file you provided still can't get text to line up with numbers.
2) In viewing several UTube videos on aligning text to pleading paper no's, they say to set LINE SPACING to an Exact Point Size of 12pts (single) and 24 pts (for double). This is handled in Paragraph Formatting.
3) The Court requires a text FONT of a minimum 13 (I'm using New TImes Roman, one of the choices, with 14 Size).
4) Because the User may choose a Font size => 13, the text in the text line will vary based on Font Height (e.g. my 14 is > the minimum).
5) The pleading numbers are pre-set using some UNKNOWN (will need to be determined by checking textbox) Font, Font Height, and Line Spacing values.
6) So if the pleading number pre-set values are NOT the SAME as those chosen by the User to meet the Court Specified requirements, a disconnect will occur, and alignment will be OFF.
So it appears the two need to be congruent in order for things to line up.
7) I was able to identify that the pre-set numbers are in a text box and they appear locked (based on the lock anchor at top of textbox). Haven't found how to unlock it yet.
8) So it appears I need to adjust and set the textbox pleading numbers to my Font Size and Line Spacing to get things to align.
9) After alignment (entering so test text and using CR, then I imagine I can change the pleading (textbox) nos as far as Font and Size and see if the alignment remains.



OR

Am I off in the weeds somewhere?

The pleading paper you gave me is set for Times New Roman, 12 point. This is direct formatting rather than style-based. The line numbers are in Courier New 10 points with exact line spacing.


You can try this one. I have no idea whether or not it meets your court rules. I emptied the text box and use the line numbering feature. I do not really know that it will work with Word 97.
Dropbox - pleadingpaper-blank-2.dot - Simplify your life


The .docx add-in for .doc versions of Word worked with Word 2002-2003, I think.

Thanks you VERY much.
Don't expect you to do my work.
With all your help so far, and messing with trying to get this pleading paper set up, I've learned A LOT about Word and how it functions.
So hopefully with your new version I can modify to Court requirements.


One thing I did notice that the document had Custom Menus.
Thought was neat, but Not of importance now.
At Some future date (when ?) would like to pursue that once I finish with all this court stuff.


Another thing I see I need to learn -- the difference between the two and how to manipulate.



Thanks again for all your efforts on my behalf.
David