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Please, consult me if I have any kind of options to control how Word (2013 in my case) breaks and manages footnotes, because I'm pretty tired to see picture with huge whitespace like this





Widows/orphans control is switched on. On the next page there is one more footnote on the second|third line, but


1) why does not word put at least one more line on this page


2) I really prefer broken footnotes than such huge whitespaces



What can I really do with this in practice? What kind of control handles I have. It really looks much worser than orphans.



P.S. Sorry for blurring, but there is copyrighted material on page.
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Thank you very much. I have studied this document attentively, it makes some things clear, but I still do not understand what the hell does not allow word to take several lines up in such situation?


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You can turn off "Widow/Orphan control" for the text you are using in the body of the document.
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You can turn off "Widow/Orphan control" for the text you are using in the body of the document.

Yes, I can, but you see, this is not the Widow/Orphan problem here - you see the next page and these is a long paragraph. I really can't get WHY Word splits here...


And frankly, I prefer having Widow/Orphan control on. In any case, this usually leads to no more than one-two empty lines in the bottom, but here is a real abyss...
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I think in this instance it is due to the presence of the footnotes. Although there isn't a complete footnote in the visible section of the paragraph on the second page, it looks like there is one on the line that was cut off on the screen capture.

If that footnote anchor was to appear on the preceding page, the footnote area would be taller and therefore the paragraph would 'probably' have to move to the next page with a break approximately in that location. Since Word probably allocates space for the footnotes based on the entire paragraph, it doesn't surprise me if the page wrap occurs where it does.

Do you get a better visual result if you changed footnote 48 to sit in a different paragraph?
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Definitely, footnotes are the key cause of the problem and they are making the look much worser. If I delete the footnotes it definitely looks better, but I need them... I cannot even put them after text - I need them on the per page basis. You are right that footnote is broken on two pages, but
1) I have the same samples when whole footnote is on one page (do you want me to post it? It looks the same way)
2) I do not understand even why Word does not pot the whole footnote here - it has three more lines and it would fit and fill the gap
3) I definitely see completely no reason for not taking two more lines of text above


By the way: can I somehow prohibit breaking footnotes in Word?
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I haven't tested it but the following suggestion sounds plausible and came from here How can I make a footnote stay on one page and keep the lines together? - ASK US

Check the style pagination settings for the style "Footnote Text". It should be set to 'Keep lines together'.
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"Footnote Text". It should be set to 'Keep lines together'.

You are right, this helps with footnote breaking, but please, lets return to the main problem. I can't get and cant help this awful pagination.


Please, look here. Two screenshots - only widow/orphans controls differs.










Why Word moves TWO lines to the next page? One would be enough to solve W/O problem, the abyss whould be smaller...
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I agree that you should have ended up with two lines on the next page instead of three.
I think your questions are valid but I don't have any inside knowledge that would be of assistance. I have learnt to shrug off 'minor' pagination issues like this since changing printers results in variations on pagination. If you want exact and fully predictable pagination, use a page layout program instead of Word.

Sticking with Word, you could try a few different document formats to see if one gives you a better result. You can save the file as doc to go back to a Word 2003 format. Or try some different docx compatibility formats via code eg
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Controlling the "length" of a page is tricky in Word and even more so in a document with footnotes.

Generally, for a document with footnotes, you can experiment with setting a fixed value for Line Spacing. For the text in the main body of the document, choose "Exactly" Line Spacing and specify an amount in points. This is worth testing, but it is difficult to tell how successful it will be.
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For the text in the main body of the document, choose "Exactly" Line Spacing and specify an amount in points. This is worth testing, but it is difficult to tell how successful it will be.

This is exactly how it is done above. Unfortunately, the result is always unpredictable, this is not a method, this is random walk... But thank you for your remark.
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