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Old 08-13-2021, 04:37 PM
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I needed to build a template from scratch. To start, I temporarily renamed my Normal template to force Word to create a clean Normal.dotx, then created a new blank doc to save as a template in which to work.



When I went back to File Explorer and renamed my Normal template back to Normal.dotm, it appears that, somehow, Word killed the template. There's a Normal.dotm there, but it's brand new (has no save history), and it's the default MS Normal style set. The original is nowhere to be found: not in temp files, not in the recycle bin. IT staff ran a recovery app that did not turn up any old, recoverable versions. I searched my entire drive for *.dotm.

I'm wondering if the issue was, I tried to rename the template while Word was open, and that caused Bad Things to happen? I didn't realize I had Word open (minimized on another monitor) until after I renamed. Is this a known issue?

Finally, I don't have much hope to recover it, and I do have a back-up that's a few weeks old, so all is not lost, but if this problem sounds familiar to you and you have an idea about a last-ditch attempt to find it, I'd be grateful -- thank you.
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Old 08-13-2021, 06:23 PM
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You can't delete the normal.dotm file while Word is open. Period. I have not tried what you did but would not expect good results.

I have 11 dated backups of my normal.dotm file.
Backup Normal.dotm template using a macro



That does not help your current situation, though.

Use your search to look for another file with that name. Look in your trash.

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Old 08-14-2021, 08:48 AM
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Thanks for the macro, Charles -- I'll use it (I got into this mess because I forgot to manually save a copy recently; I also keep many backups). I've searched the heck out of the computer, and I think the latest version is lost to the ether.
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Old 08-14-2021, 11:03 AM
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I use the macro about once a month or any time I add anything significant to my Normal.dotm file. My current one is about 950K with no AutoText but a few formatted AutoCorrects and about 30 macro modules.
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Old 08-14-2021, 11:19 AM
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Yep, I've got nearly 900K of macros (with only a few formatted autocorrects). I'm going to modify your macro so I can also back up my autocorrect and exclusion dictionary files, as I'll be pretty sad if they disappear. (These files have nearly a decade of work in them, and I usually update the autocorrect file a couple times a week.)
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Old 08-15-2021, 10:36 AM
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Better for Autocorrect:
Both of these produce a Word document that can be edited to add entries en-masse. You can restore using the same utility and the backup document. They pick up both formatted and unformatted entries.


See also in this forum: Word 2007 & Later Key Data File Locations
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You may already have tried this, but note that Word (or perhaps the Office installer) sometimes creates one or more backups of Normal.dotm; such backups may be called Normal1, PreNormal or NormalPre. It is worth looking for those files as well. With a bit of luck, you can retrieve lost content.
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Thanks, Charles -- I cobbled together a macro that will back up my Normal, AutoCorrect, and Exclude Dictionary, but I will check out Jay's and Greg's tools -- I have hundreds of items that I'd like to be able to add.



Stefan -- I ran another search for *.dotm and found nothing. Ghost in the machine, I guess, and a hard lesson to learn.
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