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Old 05-31-2020, 10:15 AM
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  1. Save a copy of your document.
  2. Delete all but the problem pages.
  3. Make sure what remains still shows the problem.
  4. Post here. How to attach a screenshot or file in this forum.
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Here is the document shrunk way down. Some of the page numbers don't coincide with above numbers and that is because of pages deleted and the header renumbered them. I just want to put a blank page in. The file is only 97kb instead of 2mb.
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Thank you.
First glance: Ouch!
I am seeing this:
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Somehow you have your footer at the top of the page and your header underneath.
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Opening the document, I am seeing 11 sections, 169 pages, less than 3000 words. This is messed up.

I would recommend saving a copy of your original document.
In the copy replace ^b with nothing to remove section breaks.
Give your document footer more room. At least room for two lines.

Then go back in and add your page numbering, headers and footers.
I do not know why you had that many sections but they probably could be avoided.
Look into something called the StyleRef Field.
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The very first post. I explained that this was converted from a pdf. The header and footers may have switch themselves around deleting about 600 other pages. I just want what happened between page 17 and 18. A BLANK PAGE NO PAGE NUMBER AND NOT FORCING CONTENT DOWN IN PAGE NUMBERS. I'm Not sure if my English is coming through clearly. What I thought would be a fix by typing the footnotes for that particular page is not. I just want to insert a Blank page not effected by Header and Footer.
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OK
I went back and downloaded your entire book.
Word is locked up half an hour trying to open it. I am going to let it work on it overnight while I go to sleep.
Note: I have 32 Gb of RAM and the document is on my SSD drive.



Converted documents are ALWAYS difficult to edit.

I suspect that it is so messed up that the steps I recommended previously will be needed to even start doing anything with it.
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Now going on 3 hours of Word not responding in trying to work with document. I am terminating that instance of Word.
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I just want to insert a blank page that doesn't get effected by header and footer numbering. If you downloaded the 2MB file. It opens up just fine on my computer the first time takes about a few minutes and it caches for quick opening the next time. Enable the macros or you won't see the changes that have been made to the document the macros are simply alt-d for britishMT and red. alt-e for back to normal and alt-s for strikethrough. I am actually impressed with the conversion to word when I saved it as a word document from the pdf. In the effect that it created the word file as if you actually opened the Big Book of AA physically, and said go to page 59, and you go to page 59 on the word document it was the exact same page. Yet in the pdf file it came from page 59 was somewhere else in the book. Trying to find a word file that is this exact is pretty impossible. What i need to do doesn't happen every page where so much typing makes it overflow. I just need to insert a blank page that doesn't effect the page numbering that is in the document created by the conversion.
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The very first post. I explained that this was converted from a pdf.
Yes, and Charles informed you shortly thereafter that conversions from PDFs are fraught with problems. page numbers, headings and footers are particularly problematic because as far as the PDF is concerned, they are not repeated objects.

You might consider making a copy of the PDF and editing those things out, then attempt a new conversion. That may give you a cleaner conversion to work with.
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You would grasp what editing I am doing. I have the perfect conversion from pdf to word as I explained page numbers coinciding with the actual book. I do not understand why at page 17 and I went into overflow that word gave me a blank page and then page 18 as it is in the actual physical book. Then at page 52 I go into overflow of the page and it takes page 53 shoves it to 54 and the overflow from page 52 is now page 53 which I do not want. I try to insert a blank page and it shoves page 53 to 54 which is not what I want to happen. Pretty sure that there is a way. I thought someone on this forum that I was recommended to ask would be able to tell me a work around.

When I figure it out I will let you know.
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Here is a video that I made to send to Go Daddy to send to Microsoft where Go Daddy dropped the ball on. Showing what I have described. Funny thing is I spoke with Microsoft and the guy there said he could help me but I have to go through Go Daddy and those guys pretty much can't do anything except get you to set up outlook. So don't buy through a different company to expect any type of help for a product they didn't create. I have found a little work around and will post it when I have it ironed out. Here is the link to the 10 minute video.
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I've watched your video and you are trying to solve problems that have arisen because you don't understand the basics of how Word works and you are trying to do something overly complex that doesn't align with normal page layout principles. Extracting the copy from a book and then applying mark up is going to result in large departures from the original pagination. How you are trying to deal with that won't end well.

You need to reconsider your approach. What does the end result look like in your head? Does it read like a book with page numbers that increase by one on each page. Or is it a conglomeration of markup where a page of the book becomes 1, 2 or 3 pages of content and each 'original page' starts a new page irrespective of whether it is the middle of a paragraph or not.

You won't get to either of these ends with all the section breaks you currently have. The primary complexity of your document is due to the huge number of Section Breaks in your document. This probably started when you converted from PDF but it is the biggest single source of your confusion. Every section break brings with it a unique page setup (the paper and margin sizes) as well as up to three different headers and footers. You probably have well over 100 sections in your document which would mean you have 100 potentially different page setups and 300 different headers, and 300 different footers.

If you want to solve your inconsistencies then you need to start by removing ALL section breaks to get a single consistent page setup throughout your document.

Your next problem is you are trying to get the page numbering in the header to be somewhat arbitrary. Sometimes you want it to increase per page and other times you want it to stay the same as the previous page (for book pages that spilled over with content). If this is the case, you should be using blank headers and footers and place a 'header-like' paragraph with a hard coded (typed) page number every time you want to indicate this is a new physical page from the book.
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I would have edited it in pdf. But there the page numbers are 1 thru from the beginning. When I converted it to word. Some where some how all the page numbers correlated with the actual physical book. Then had to do some moving of the margins to get it all to be as the actual book. Going through page by page i edit any margin that may need, to be the same. If you were a member of AA. You would know that sometimes you sponsor folks and when you go to do the work with them and you have your book and by the way all the red you see on the video I have written in my Big Book. You tend to work through the book. On some pages there is a lot of writing. So when we say lets go to page 69. I can go to my page 69 on my edited word file with my notes and they are on the same page as I am. I seem to have found a working work around to what I have been after.

First I go to the top of the page and then Layout --> Continuous, View then --> Nav Pane on --> pages then make sure on the left I am on the page I want to change. Insert --> format page numbers --> change the page number to the number I want.

However sometimes if I do anything more to that page it will sometimes revert back to the old number and then the page below still has same as previous and then there is a big number change down the rest.

So when that happens I have to go into the header and turn off same as previous and sometimes check different first page.

It's a process but it gets to what I have been after. Yet as you seen in the video I shown 3 different examples where word did what I was after on its own and I didn't change a thing later down in the book. I am currently on page 54 with my editing with 400 more pages to go. If anyone would like a copy when I am complete let me know. I am editing with a study manual called Big Book Awakenings.

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Converting from PDF adds massive complexity to an otherwise simple document and this is responsible for most of your problems. The Word converter has made good guesses at how to display the page numbers with fields and 'start at' numbers but ultimately, you are blazing a trail that doesn't make logical sense for fields to be involved in.

IF it was me doing this task, I would be converting the Big Book from PDF and stripping out ALL the section breaks and extraneous formatting. I would change the page setup and styles to ensure that everything that fitted a page in the original PDF still fits on a page or less. Then I would add a Paragraph at the start of the page which includes the header info (ie the PDF page number) - I wouldn't put this into the header unless I was sure that I was not going to expand the content beyond what a page can hold. Finally, I would start adding the 'red text' by using the Comment feature in Word. This would then appear in a sidebar of the page and be the physical equivalent of writing in the margins of the big book.
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I may have small chops in MS office. But not compared to what you have. I knew enough to get me going and then started hitting my problem after already in to the project over 100 hours. Still one thing I don't understand in this forum is how I had to post the video to get people to understand what I explained in large detail. On top of how it is my pictures on everyone's screen didn't come up when I seen them on my screen just fine. Your reply would have been a much better response when I started this thread a month ago. I might have gone that route. Too many people telling me how screwed it was. Well I am willing to bet they would have quit the project as most of the things they do. I am not one of those. My method may not be great, but you know what its working for what I know word is capable of doing and what I envisioned for this project.
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