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Old 10-03-2019, 09:22 AM
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And how to remove them!?? I looked but did not find another post like this so if this needs to be moved, moderator please go ahead.
My experience goes back to around 2010 or so with Word and now I have Word 2019.
I have much to learn but for now, big trouble. My TOC encloses much of the document and it is many pages long. Little triangles tauntingly flutter at me on every line.
Please help. Any assistance dearly appreciated in advance.

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Old 10-03-2019, 12:25 PM
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Stop using heading styles for your body text!
The collapsible headings are those that have an outline level other than body text.
This is built into the program and you cannot turn it off. You can set an option to un-collapse them all upon opening a document. This is a setting on your computer, though, not on the document.

Jargon tip: What is the difference between headings and headers?

By default, Headings 1-3 are included in a Table of Contents. You can change that.
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So in order to stop using heading styles, let's say I have a book with chapters. I only want the chapter numbers and titles to show up in the TOC.
I use Header 2 from the home screen.

I think this is the point I must be going off track. When I begin a chapter, I just start writing and the triangles show up.

I need to know, if you don't mind, exactly what to do at this point so the header tri's don't show up.
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Old 10-03-2019, 12:46 PM
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I use Header 2 from the home screen.

First. Read the link.
What is the difference between headings and headers?

When you report back that you have done so, let me know.
I know, I'm finicky. I'm also old and a bit grumpy.

These terms matter and using the wrong term willl make it much harder for you to get help, here or in Word's help. It is obvious to me that you are talking about headings and not headers. It may not be obvious to others and when you search by the term "header" you get much different information than you do for "heading."

(BTW: The other links I gave you would help you understand this better. Despite MS's efforts to convince us otherwise, Word is a fairly complex program.)
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Old 10-03-2019, 12:49 PM
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Your profile indicates you are running Office 2019 on Windows 7. I find that surprising. On the other hand, I'm running Word 2003 on Windows 10, even though MS says you can't.
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Old 10-03-2019, 12:52 PM
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So in order to stop using heading styles, let's say I have a book with chapters. I only want the chapter numbers and titles to show up in the TOC.
I use Header 2 from the home screen.

I think this is the point I must be going off track. When I begin a chapter, I just start writing and the triangles show up.

I need to know, if you don't mind, exactly what to do at this point so the header tri's don't show up.

Select the text you do not want to appear in the TOC, do not want to be collapsible, and apply the Normal or Body Text style to it or some other style that is not on an outline level other than body text.
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Old 10-03-2019, 12:59 PM
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If you are writing a book, the sooner you learn to actually use styles and other Word features, rather than just click boxes on the Home tab, the better. Spending a couple of hours now will save you days if not weeks of frustration later.
You will recover the time spent reading all of those pages within two weeks of writing using Word. From that point forward, you will be ahead of the game and much more happy with Word.
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The following can give you more informaiton about collapsible headings:
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I am a ghostwriter and do several books a month. I am a rookie so I need all the Word help I can get. I am not understanding much of the incoming responses.
If others can see this, perhaps they may offer more badly needed assistance.

Heading vs headers; I'll look into that. Start my body text how? I still don't understand. Can someone please just give me the steps such as Home, document, etc
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I am a ghostwriter and do several books a month. I am a rookie so I need all the Word help I can get. I am not understanding much of the incoming responses.
If others can see this, perhaps they may offer more badly needed assistance.

Heading vs headers; I'll look into that. Start my body text how? I still don't understand. Can someone please just give me the steps such as Home, document, etc
  1. I sent you links because I think you need what is in the link, not to show off my ability to copy and paste.
  2. You apply Normal or Body Text styles the same way you do any other style. You told me how you applied "Header 2." Normal should be right there as well. Read the links on styles. Do it now. It gives you the help you are asking for.
  3. You are trying to save time. You will save time, I promise, by reading the pages that I linked.Word is a tool of your trade. If you are working with Word that much, you need what is in those pages, now!
  4. This is a user-to-user support forum. Others are welcome to chime in. My attitude is that you can lead a horse to water...
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Oh ok sorry. Did not see the links I guess. Thanks a bunch. You are right, I am really spinning my wheels and I write pretty much all day, every day.
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Styles can be overwhelming at first. One of the Odd things about Word is that it really helps when you use styles, But Word makes it soooo easy not to use styles, and makes it hard to use styles correctly.

Read the links on Styles Charles provided. Make sure you get the terminology down--a lot of the terms are similar, and getting them confused will result in much wailing and gnashing of teeth.

Once you are comfortable with the basics, start experimenting.
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Default Thanks for all the great pointers :::

Here's the thing, I'm 70 years old and I need my job because my pensions are not enough. I have a serious case of sleep apnea which I have had for 7 years and the medical community has failed to help with. I am not good with manuals or links to a thousand words that go in a million directions. I get blurry-eyed and sleepy.

Why I am here and what I need is directions to the exact keystrokes to remove the collapsable heading mess. I know that within the programs that I do know, I could provide that. It just takes a little more effort than pasting links.

Anyone want to take a shot at it? Thanks ahead of time.
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Old 10-04-2019, 10:18 AM
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I'm only 66. I hope that when I get to be 70 I will still be able to learn something new.



I have already given you the exact keystrokes.

Use the same process to apply the normal style to your body text that you used to apply the Heading 2 style.


I will give you any more help you want after you have read through Shauna Kelly's beginner steps.
Basic Concepts of Microsoft Word - from Shauna Kelly

I know you can do that. It is a series of short tutorials. She put a lot of work into them. I've revised some to update them to the Ribbon versions of Word.


I have a 6-year-old grandson who loves playing a game on Grandma's phone. It has a lot of written instructions that he can't read. I read it for him and tell him that he will be happy when he can read it himself. You can read, yourself. It may still be confusing, but it gives context to a conversation.
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Dear Charles, you remind me of the teacher no one liked in school.
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