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On p. 174 of my document, the top line of the page is empty. MS Word puts the first para of this page starting on the second line. If I go to that top empty line and hit backspace, instead of pulling this first para up one line, it pulls the last line of the previous page onto this page to occupy the top line of the page. I want that last line of the previous page to stay where it is; I want the first para of this page 174 to come up one space to start on the top line of the page. But MS Word will not do it for some unknown reason. I tried showing hidden characters to see what is there on that line. There is just a carriage return on the line; if I delete that, then MS Word pulls the last line of the previous page on to this top line, which is not desired. Very much need a solution to this. My document is 320 pages long, and I only face this problem on this one page, p. 174.
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This might be caused by settings such as "Keep with next." However, it will be easier to diagnose the problem if you upload an example document (in Word format).
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I created second word document with the same page size and margins, then copied the two pages in question and pasted them there. As you'll see, for some reason the two pages of text ran onto a third page by one line. Also, the first two lines of text on the second page of this test document are actually the last two lines of text on the prior page, in my document. Don't know why it pushed them onto the second page in this text document, leaving so much room empty at the bottom of the first page. So in my actual document, the four line poem which you see near the top of the second page is the first text on my second page (i.e.p.174) in my document. And it starts in the second line on the page, not the first line-- as described in my initial post.
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You requested that I upload an example document (in Word format). That has been done; please let me know your thoughts as to the solution...
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"Widow/orphan control" prevents a single line of text from a paragraph to appear alone at the beginning or end of a page. This option, which is activated by default in Word, is one of the text flow options found on the Line and Page Breaks tab of the Paragraph dialog box.

In other words, I haven't seen anything strange in your document. However, it is also possible that the text flow is being affected by the Hindi text, for which I do not have the appropriate fonts installed.
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The widow-orphan control is not the problem here. I have it turned off by default in my main document. Here it is true that it was on, so I turned it off and then decreased the line spacing the that last para of the first page from 1.25 to 1.24, and it pulled both lines to the first page, as you'll see in the attached document.

But my problem in the main document is that having achieved this, it still doesn't allow the four line poem to begin at the top line of the following page. Here in the test document this is not the case; having got all the lines of the prior para to remain on the prior page, the four line poem is now starting on the first line of the next page as it should. This is not the case in my main document, so the text document is not reproducing the problem. I do not think this has anything to do with Hindi font, as this problem has not occurred anywhere else in my 330 page document.
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The only way to get more control over the line spacing is to set a fixed value.
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"The only way to get more control over the line spacing is to set a fixed value."

That cannot be done when one is using two dramatically different fonts each having different space requirements. The roman font needs 1.15 line spacing, whereas the Hindi font needs 1.25 line spacing. And this differential has worked wonderfully throughout the book. The problem I have described in this thread -- that I cannot get the four line poem to start on the top line of the page 174 -- does not seem to have anything to do with their being different spacing settings for the Hindi and Roman fonts. The entire 330 page document has worked beautifully with the differential line spacing.
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Note that even if you specify fixed line spacing, you don't have to choose the same amount for all text paragraphs.
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