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Old 03-24-2019, 11:37 PM
Anne-KZN Anne-KZN is offline Header and Footer 'tags' Windows 10 Header and Footer 'tags' Office 2016
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Hi, all - I'm new, and from South Africa. Firstly I should mention that if it was possible to use the old version of Word, 2007 or earlier, I would in a heartbeat. So I tend to be irritated by most things in Word these days.

I use complicated header and footers, with tables and lines to give me a border on my sheets which does not move with text, but creates a new page when necessary. I know all about breaking links between them by adding a next page break, and I've been using them for years. I now need to change some things, and this change has resulted in the tables getting slightly smaller, which means I have to adjust the lines which connect the top and bottom tables to give me a border.



And there's the rub - firstly, the bottom table WILL NOT let me specify a table width so that I can ensure that the top and bottom tables are exactly the same and connect neatly with the lines. I've been into this on the internet and I can't find a solution - Microsoft appears to believe that 'preferred width' is good enough, which it isn't. So if anyone has a solution to this I'd be grateful.

The second irritation is that when I go into headers and footers I get these REALLY annoying little tags which say things like Header - Section 5, or Footer Section 4' or whatever, on the left, and on the right they say Same as Previous (which it is in some cases).

The insult to all our intelligences is one thing. But most annoying is that they are positioned so that I cannot seen where the line joining the header and footer actually is, when I want to lengthen it or move it slightly.

Please tell me there is a way I can SWITCH THESE OFF?
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Hi Anne,
  1. You cannot turn these tags off. I understand why you want to. It is very easy to get lost and confused with headers and footers in multi-section documents. (It is a next-page Section break.) Each section of a Word document has three headers and three footers. In sections after the first, each of these can independently be linked to the previous section, or not.
    Header/Footer Settings Recap
  2. Yes, Word has changed.
  3. You can use Word 2007 or 2003 in Windows 10. The use of these is not supported by Microsoft but they do run. Word 2003 documents are less stable and more prone to corruption. In my opinion, Word 2007 is the worst of the ribbon versions and from a use standpoint was far inferior to Word 2003.
  4. See Improving the Bottom Line by Suzanne Barnhill, MVP.
If you want, post a sample document demonstrating the problems you have. I, or someone else, will help you with them. What you want to do can be done.
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Old 03-25-2019, 05:33 AM
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Many people add unneeded section breaks because they want the header or footer to change to reflect the current pages. They should use the StyleRef Field instead of adding a section break.
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Thanks for your responses, Charles.

I've been using my system with the headers and footers (I do schedules with them) for over 20 years, so I do not get lost and confused, and I understand exactly what the page breaks I use do - whatever their correct name.

My problem is a visual one - I cannot see exactly how long or short or how much the line needs to move sideways or whatever, because of the ridiculous and unnecessary tags, which is why I want to switch them off. I now have to move, lengthen or shorten the lines slightly and then close the header and footer so that I can see what actually happened, and then go back in an repeat the process in a frustrating and time wasting manner. But if there isn't any way to do it, then I just have to accept it, I suppose.

I have versions of 2007 and 2003 (I might even have 98, or is it 97?), but when I tried to use them in windows 10, it wouldn't allow it. Do I have to download anything special, or can I just install one of the versions I've got? I created most of my work on these older versions, and they cope immeasurably better than the latest version of Word with complex and long tables. I also do long lists which contain photos, and this word is hopeless - it constantly crashes or messes up the tables in a way earlier versions did not. I would love to go back to them.
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Old 03-25-2019, 09:13 AM
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I just installed them using the original media.
Note that you may have to search for updates although Windows Update does update them so far.



Lines for header/footer demarcation are handled well using paragraph borders in the header/footer styles. They will extend from left to righ indent (not margins).


I seldom use tables in headers and footers. You may want to look into the Alignment Tab.

See https://www.techrepublic.com/blog/mi...-with-margins/
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Thanks again, Charles. I've found my old Word 2000 disks and loaded that onto my computer, and it works. It really is so much better in so many ways - I immediately changed my table width with no problem, and I can see where the lines are.

I will look into the alignment tab, just in case I'm missing out on something, but I am posting a sample of one of my schedules, so that you can see why I need to use tables in both my header and footer. The header finishes on the table below the LEVEL, and the footer starts with the table IT IS THE RESPONSIBILITY...
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Sorry, I also meant to mention that most of my schedules are over 100 pages long, and the headers and footers within the same document can vary a lot, for instance for the Index, etc.
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Hi Anne,
  1. Look into the StyleRef Field. It should reduce the need for different headers/footers.
  2. Consider seeing if you can pick up Office 2003. It is far superior to Office 2000 and has the same menus.
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