’m having trouble with the running head (odd page / recto) in the last section of my manuscript.



Running heads in 13 sections of the manuscript appear as they should (static heading on even / verso pages; different heading for each section on odd / recto pages).

Then section 14 (appendix) and 15 (notes) don’t work. Either the odd pages in BOTH sections display “Appendix,” or, if I try to correct it, they BOTH display “Notes” as the running head.

The next section is the Glossary, which is section 17. Running head on odd pages says “Glossary” so it’s OK.
The Index is the very last section, and running head on odd pages says “Index,” so it’s also OK.

I’ve read and re-read multiple times the various recommended readings on sections and headings in Word. I know that the heading settings are controlled by the section break that follows the text. So I’m assuming that somehow the section breaks that I’ve used are wrong. Somehow sections 14 and 15 seem to be behaving as if they are one section.

So here’s how they are laid out from section 13 to the end:
At the end of section 13 is a “Section Break (Odd page)” leading to Appendix on odd page

At the end of section 14 (Appendix) is a “Section Break (Odd page)” leading to Notes on odd page

At the end of section 15 (Notes) is a “Section Break (Continuous)” (the single word “Notes” is section 15; it had to be created that way to force the Glossary and Index after the endnotes. That trick was a minor miracle that Paul Epstein performed for me in 2013 when I first created the manuscript.)

I cannot “see" section 16 as such, but it must be the 35 pages of endnotes, between the word “Notes” (section 15) and Glossary (section 17); that 35 pages is followed by “Section Break (Odd page),” leading to the Glosssary on odd page

At the end of section 17 (Glossary) is “Section Break (Odd page)” leading to the Index

So it looks like that strange “section 15”—the single-word section heading (not a header), “NOTES,” may be where the problem is. If the section break following that one word controls the headings in section 14 and 15

(And I'll see if I can send the attached png separately to show you how the page breaks appear between sections 14 and 15.

Claire

Attached is the re-sized png of what the page breaks look like.

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I sent the text today just before sending the attachment (separately). Here it is again...
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I’m having trouble with the running head (odd page / recto) in the last section of my manuscript.

Running heads in 13 sections of the manuscript appear as they should (static heading on even / verso pages; different heading for each section on odd / recto pages).

Then section 14 (appendix) and 15 (notes) don’t work. Either the odd pages in BOTH sections display “Appendix,” or, if I try to correct it, they BOTH display “Notes” as the running head.

The next section is the Glossary, which is section 17. Running head on odd pages says “Glossary” so it’s OK.
The Index is the very last section, and running head on odd pages says “Index,” so it’s also OK.

I’ve read and re-read multiple times the various recommended readings on sections and headings in Word. I know that the heading settings are controlled by the section break that follows the text. So I’m assuming that somehow the section breaks that I’ve used are wrong. Somehow sections 14 and 15 seem to be behaving as if they are one section.

So here’s how they are laid out from section 13 to the end:
At the end of section 13 is a “Section Break (Odd page)” leading to Appendix on odd page

At the end of section 14 (Appendix) is a “Section Break (Odd page)” leading to Notes on odd page

At the end of section 15 (Notes) is a “Section Break (Continuous)” (the single word “Notes” is section 15; it had to be created that way to force the Glossary and Index after the endnotes. That trick was a minor miracle that Paul Epstein performed for me in 2013 when I first created the manuscript.)

I cannot “see" section 16 as such, but it must be the 35 pages of endnotes, between the word “Notes” (section 15) and Glossary (section 17); that 35 pages is followed by “Section Break (Odd page),” leading to the Glosssary on odd page

At the end of section 17 (Glossary) is “Section Break (Odd page)” leading to the Index

So it looks like that strange “section 15”—the single-word section heading (not a header), “NOTES,” may be where the problem is. If the section break following that one word controls the headings in section 14 and 15

(And I'll see if I can send the attached png separately to show you how the page breaks appear between sections 14 and 15.

Claire

Thank you. I do not need the png again.

Work with a copy of your document.

Try to have the section number in your status bar. I do not know if this works on the Mac. I believe that in many ways Word 11 for the Mac is similar to Word 2003 as far as controls go, but do not know.

If you can, see if you can find where your document shifts from Section 15 to 17.

Perhaps in normal or draft view you will be able to find that section break.

I would go to the end of each problem section and add four or five manual page breaks (Cmd+Enter?) so that you can see all headers or footers. Each section has three even if you do not see them. A section that is less than a page may display none of them but still have all three and those settings can cause you problems. The portion of your document reading NOTES is a separate section, with those headers and footers, even if none is displayed. Try putting three manual page breaks after NOTES and before the section break to see what is going on.

I previously referred you to my header/footer settings recap. Those are a somewhat complex combination of rules for headers and footers.

I am tired and it is past my bedtime. I may have the opportunity to look at this again tomorrow evening. Perhaps someone else will weigh in.

Don't know if this is progress or not, but I've located that "missing / invisible" section 16. As you suggested, I inserted manual page breaks after sections 14 (appendix) and 15 (that section created only for the one-word title "Notes." Here's what I found:

Section 14, as expected / known, has all 3 headers throughout (first, even, and odd pages)

Section 15, as discovered (after inserting the 3 manual page breaks you suggested) has all 3 headers throughout (first, even, and odd pages).

Then for Section 16...
I go into "view headers / footers" (which identifies also the section, as does the status bar). After scrolling through the few pages I've manually created in section 15, seeing all the headers--first, even, and odd pages--suddenly I see "odd page header, section 16" without having seen "First page header, section 16." I continue scrolling through the entire section 16 (where all the endnotes appear, filling about 30 pages). The headings are, as usual, "even page header-Section 16; same as previous" and "Odd page header-Section 16." After all of that, and before the next section (17) I see "First Page Header-Section 16." No other section behaves that way, with the "first page header" appearing last.

I should add that the only way I can see this if I'm in the "view header / footer" mode. If I close that and put the cursor into the TEXT of the endnotes, I see displayed (in the status bar) the section of the manuscript to which the endnotes correspond (section 9, 10, 11, etc.) and NOT "section 16." I guess that is why I could not find the mysterious section 16 until now.

Is this some clue as to what is going on?

And I confess I have no clue what to do next. I've spent entire work days (weeks?) trying to solve this and am desperate (as you undoubtedly can sense).

Thank you, Charles, or anyone, for help.

Try this tool. It lets you adjust the settings for any header or footer whether or not you can see it.
Word Toolkit for Advanced Management of Word Headers and Footers

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The link says "for PC." I've emailed Bill Coan to ask if it also works on Mac.

At this point I'd love to just hire some expert to look at the manuscript and fix it. Any idea how I'd find someone qualified? I've googled but hard to see qualifications--looks like many who advertise do basic stuff. Happy to have any suggestions. You've been stoic in sticking with me.

Claire sent me the document. I used the Word Toolkit for Advanced Management of Word Headers and Footers.
It made it easy to see what was going on, but does not work on a Mac.

One thing I noted was that many of the Section breaks were there to change the header text to match the content of the chapter. This is best handled using a StyleRef Field.

Other section breaks were needed for layout change and that was where the problem came in. There were some that had no displayed header or footer but where the settings in that section for the header caused a problem in the next section.