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Old 05-05-2005, 05:57 PM
Katy D'Angelo
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Default pagination troubleshooting with multiple sections

I am also having a problem inserting section breaks and getting the
pagination to work correctly. There are three sections for my document--the
first should have no numbering on it, the second should be numbered (ii, iii,
iv), and the third should begin again with 1. I have followed the
instructions from the recommended web site


http://word.mvps.org/FAQs/Formatting...rontMatter.htm. However, for
some reason it seems to be linking my first and third sections (displaying
both with Arabic numbers), even though the first section should have no
numbers. And I haven't inserted anything into the Header and Footer in that
section. The numbers just appear there. However, if I delete the numbering
from the first section, it also deletes the numbering from the second section
as well. It seems to defy any explanation.

Any suggestions would be welcome. I'm about to just insert numbers into the
text itself to get around this problem.
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Old 05-05-2005, 05:57 PM
Daiya Mitchell
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Default Re: pagination troubleshooting with multiple sections

Follow up--do you have any other section breaks beside Next Page Section
Breaks in here? Like columns or anything?
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Old 05-05-2005, 05:57 PM
katy dangelo
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Default Re: pagination troubleshooting with multiple sections

I will try this when I get home. The only thing is, my first section is
actually two pages. Niether of them is supposed to have pagination. Yet, the
first page of the section section is numbered ii (as though that 2nd page in
the first section isn't counted in the numbered order). It's really quite
annoying, but that is what's required.



"Daiya Mitchell" wrote:

Quote:
Hmm. For what you want (I think), you actually only need
First Page Footer (with no number) (this is just one page, right?)
Section 1 Footer (with ii, iii, etc--you did want it to start with ii,
right?)
Section 2 Footer (with arabic numbers).

Try deleting all your section breaks (they will show up in Normal View to be
selected and deleted). View Header/Footer and delete everything in it--if
the number has a gray box around it (a frame), make sure you delete the
frame too.

Reinsert your section break between the roman and arabic numbers. With
cursor in Section 1, go to File | Page Setup, Layout tab, and turn on "first
page header". Set to apply to "this section only."

View Header/Footer. Move the cursor to the area labeled Section 1 Footer,
and hit # on the header/footer toolbar, then hit Format Page Number on the
header/footer toolbar (icon with hand and #). Set it to ii, iii. Move
cursor to Section 2 Footer. Hit Format Page Number, set as desired.

If something does not work, post back at exactly what step it went wrong.

DM


On 5/5/05 2:49 PM, "katy dangelo" wrote:

I tried this. It still isn't working. That first section is just killing me.

"Daiya Mitchell" wrote:

See also this page--by default, headers/footers are linked to the previous
section and it sounds like you need to break the links. (it is possible to
change the format without breaking the links)

http://sbarnhill.mvps.org/WordFAQs/HeaderFooter.htm


On 5/5/05 2:20 PM, "Katy D'Angelo" wrote:

I am also having a problem inserting section breaks and getting the
pagination to work correctly. There are three sections for my document--the
first should have no numbering on it, the second should be numbered (ii,
iii,
iv), and the third should begin again with 1. I have followed the
instructions from the recommended web site
http://word.mvps.org/FAQs/Formatting...rontMatter.htm. However, for
some reason it seems to be linking my first and third sections (displaying
both with Arabic numbers), even though the first section should have no
numbers. And I haven't inserted anything into the Header and Footer in that
section. The numbers just appear there. However, if I delete the numbering
from the first section, it also deletes the numbering from the second
section
as well. It seems to defy any explanation.

Any suggestions would be welcome. I'm about to just insert numbers into the
text itself to get around this problem.

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Old 05-05-2005, 05:57 PM
Daiya Mitchell
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Default Re: pagination troubleshooting with multiple sections

Okay, skip the bits about the first page header. Still delete all section
breaks and re-enter them. You will need to unlink the first and second
section--put cursor in second section, click the same as previous icon on
the header/footer toolbar. Then put a page number in the second section,
use the Format Page Number button on the header/footer toolbar to change the
format. Then with cursor in the third section, use the Format Page Number
button on the header/footer toolbar to change the format.

DM


On 5/5/05 4:55 PM, "katy dangelo" wrote:

Quote:
I will try this when I get home. The only thing is, my first section is
actually two pages. Niether of them is supposed to have pagination. Yet, the
first page of the section section is numbered ii (as though that 2nd page in
the first section isn't counted in the numbered order). It's really quite
annoying, but that is what's required.
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Old 05-05-2005, 05:57 PM
Daiya Mitchell
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Default Re: pagination troubleshooting with multiple sections

Hmm. For what you want (I think), you actually only need
First Page Footer (with no number) (this is just one page, right?)
Section 1 Footer (with ii, iii, etc--you did want it to start with ii,
right?)
Section 2 Footer (with arabic numbers).

Try deleting all your section breaks (they will show up in Normal View to be
selected and deleted). View Header/Footer and delete everything in it--if
the number has a gray box around it (a frame), make sure you delete the
frame too.

Reinsert your section break between the roman and arabic numbers. With
cursor in Section 1, go to File | Page Setup, Layout tab, and turn on "first
page header". Set to apply to "this section only."

View Header/Footer. Move the cursor to the area labeled Section 1 Footer,
and hit # on the header/footer toolbar, then hit Format Page Number on the
header/footer toolbar (icon with hand and #). Set it to ii, iii. Move
cursor to Section 2 Footer. Hit Format Page Number, set as desired.

If something does not work, post back at exactly what step it went wrong.

DM


On 5/5/05 2:49 PM, "katy dangelo" wrote:

Quote:
I tried this. It still isn't working. That first section is just killing me.

"Daiya Mitchell" wrote:

See also this page--by default, headers/footers are linked to the previous
section and it sounds like you need to break the links. (it is possible to
change the format without breaking the links)

http://sbarnhill.mvps.org/WordFAQs/HeaderFooter.htm


On 5/5/05 2:20 PM, "Katy D'Angelo" wrote:

I am also having a problem inserting section breaks and getting the
pagination to work correctly. There are three sections for my document--the
first should have no numbering on it, the second should be numbered (ii,
iii,
iv), and the third should begin again with 1. I have followed the
instructions from the recommended web site
http://word.mvps.org/FAQs/Formatting...rontMatter.htm. However, for
some reason it seems to be linking my first and third sections (displaying
both with Arabic numbers), even though the first section should have no
numbers. And I haven't inserted anything into the Header and Footer in that
section. The numbers just appear there. However, if I delete the numbering
from the first section, it also deletes the numbering from the second
section
as well. It seems to defy any explanation.

Any suggestions would be welcome. I'm about to just insert numbers into the
text itself to get around this problem.
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Old 05-05-2005, 05:57 PM
katy dangelo
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Default Re: pagination troubleshooting with multiple sections

I tried this. It still isn't working. That first section is just killing me.

"Daiya Mitchell" wrote:

Quote:
See also this page--by default, headers/footers are linked to the previous
section and it sounds like you need to break the links. (it is possible to
change the format without breaking the links)

http://sbarnhill.mvps.org/WordFAQs/HeaderFooter.htm


On 5/5/05 2:20 PM, "Katy D'Angelo" wrote:

I am also having a problem inserting section breaks and getting the
pagination to work correctly. There are three sections for my document--the
first should have no numbering on it, the second should be numbered (ii, iii,
iv), and the third should begin again with 1. I have followed the
instructions from the recommended web site
http://word.mvps.org/FAQs/Formatting...rontMatter.htm. However, for
some reason it seems to be linking my first and third sections (displaying
both with Arabic numbers), even though the first section should have no
numbers. And I haven't inserted anything into the Header and Footer in that
section. The numbers just appear there. However, if I delete the numbering
from the first section, it also deletes the numbering from the second section
as well. It seems to defy any explanation.

Any suggestions would be welcome. I'm about to just insert numbers into the
text itself to get around this problem.

--
Daiya Mitchell, MVP Mac/Word
Word FAQ: http://www.word.mvps.org/
MacWord Tips: <http://www.word.mvps.org/MacWordNew/
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Old 05-05-2005, 05:57 PM
Daiya Mitchell
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Default Re: pagination troubleshooting with multiple sections

See also this page--by default, headers/footers are linked to the previous
section and it sounds like you need to break the links. (it is possible to
change the format without breaking the links)

http://sbarnhill.mvps.org/WordFAQs/HeaderFooter.htm


On 5/5/05 2:20 PM, "Katy D'Angelo" wrote:

Quote:
I am also having a problem inserting section breaks and getting the
pagination to work correctly. There are three sections for my document--the
first should have no numbering on it, the second should be numbered (ii, iii,
iv), and the third should begin again with 1. I have followed the
instructions from the recommended web site
http://word.mvps.org/FAQs/Formatting...rontMatter.htm. However, for
some reason it seems to be linking my first and third sections (displaying
both with Arabic numbers), even though the first section should have no
numbers. And I haven't inserted anything into the Header and Footer in that
section. The numbers just appear there. However, if I delete the numbering
from the first section, it also deletes the numbering from the second section
as well. It seems to defy any explanation.

Any suggestions would be welcome. I'm about to just insert numbers into the
text itself to get around this problem.
--
Daiya Mitchell, MVP Mac/Word
Word FAQ: http://www.word.mvps.org/
MacWord Tips: <http://www.word.mvps.org/MacWordNew/>
What's an MVP? A volunteer! Read the FAQ: http://mvp.support.microsoft.com/
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Old 05-06-2005, 12:01 AM
katy dangelo
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Default Re: pagination troubleshooting with multiple sections

No, I don't have any other section breaks beside Next Page. I've got section
2 and 3 working, with the separate roman numerals and Arabic numbers. Section
1 is still not working. I've unlinked the footer from section 2 (numbers are
centered in the footer), but for some reason section 1 is now appearing in
roman numerals. The first page has no pagination, but the second page reads
iii. I just do not understand why.
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Old 05-06-2005, 12:32 AM
Suzanne S. Barnhill
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Default Re: pagination troubleshooting with multiple sections

Just delete the page field on the second page; if you've unlinked sections 1
and 2, this should have no effect on section 2. Also, if you have a page
number on the second page and not on the first, this is probably because you
have enabled "Different first page," which, as Daiya now realizes, is of no
value here (and not necessary).

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Old 04-12-2006, 07:41 AM
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I am also having trouble with the different page number formatting. I do as they instruct and insert a next page section break, I then break the link between sections. I format the preliminary pages of my report with roman numerals in the bottom center of the page. The body of my report of the report I number in the top right corner. And I suppress the page numbers on the first pages.

What ends up happening is I get roman numbers on the top right and the bottom center of the preliminary pages including the first page, and arabic numbers on the top right and bottom center of the body and including the first page .

Someone please help!!!
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Old 06-20-2006, 06:36 AM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by gerrie
I am also having trouble with the different page number formatting. I do as they instruct and insert a next page section break, I then break the link between sections. I format the preliminary pages of my report with roman numerals in the bottom center of the page. The body of my report of the report I number in the top right corner. And I suppress the page numbers on the first pages.

What ends up happening is I get roman numbers on the top right and the bottom center of the preliminary pages including the first page, and arabic numbers on the top right and bottom center of the body and including the first page .

Someone please help!!!
If I may throw my hat into the arena....

Here's what commonly throws people when they are making documents in our office. They will create Section 1 (No page numbers). Then Section II and try to alter the page numbers, Section III with new page numbers, etc. Then they go back and see that Section II lost it's roman numerals and section one is acting up as well, etc.

The default settings for "Same as Previous" is a sneaky feature which - if not aware - could alter the work "behind you" as you progress forward in your document. Additionally, having your layout set to First Page Different could toss a few extra gremlins into the formatting process.

Here is my best advice. Start out clean. If you do not need FIRST PAGE DIFFERENT, turn it off for every section. Then remove every page number from your document ~~ for now. (I find it best to start with a clean slate if you are not 100% comfortable with Sections/Headers/Footers). Then disable SAME AS PREVIOUS for every header/footer in your document. This will help prevent accidents.

With these features in place, you should be able to go to Section 1 and add your page # (if necessary). Go to Section 2 and add your roman numeral page numbers. Section 3, insert page numbering.

If you do this and your document is still struggling, stop a moment and repeat the steps in a brand new (clean) template. If the new document behaves differently than the existing document; perhaps a container/template issue.

I hope this helps.
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Old 09-28-2006, 12:13 PM
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Hi Patti

I tried what you offered but to no avail.

It worked at first but after a couple of times it decided to screw up again.

Thanks so much.

If you come up with something else I'm all ears.

Gerrie
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