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Old 07-13-2012, 07:58 AM
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I have a formatting issue with my references some start with the author then the title others start with the title then authors. Similarly, sometimes Word seems to store the authors with surname first and initial rather than initial then surname.

Is there anything that can be done about this ?

Is there a way of exporting the list into a reference manager and stopping this once and for all because I am getting a number of issues and my PhD thesis will have around 300 references. Short of typing them by hand I am quite worried about it.

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Hi

As far as I am aware the Bibliography part of Word is not customizable but several pieces of software exist (which I am sure you might get your dept to purchase as they'll be useful). Biblioscape 9 cost $49 for educational use and should do the job you want. Alternatively Reference Manager will work too but more expensive.

For MAC users there's a plethora of options but sadly not so many for windows.

Also try putting your references in as "endnotes" which can then be collated at the end of a section say chapter...might work for you
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Hi Grant,

Any problems with consistency of layout are due to inconsistencies in the way the data were entered. Word's Bibliography function expects the Author's surname first, followed by a comma before the given name/initials. IIRC, If you omit the comma, Word assumes you've simply entered the name with the surname last and 'corrects' it for you. You can edit the entry to fix the word order, though.

As for customizing, ngmp is wrong. See: http://bibword.codeplex.com/
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The issue is that the report titles need to follow the authors ie evans a - high temperature testing rather than high temperature testing, evans a

The reference list I currently have has these mixed up, I am wondering whether it is because some are reports, some are classed as journal articles and some are miscallaneous. Would this have an influence ?

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Hi Grant,

Which referencing system are you supposed to be using? None of the common referencing systems, all of which are supported by Word, sort bibliography references by title.

For inputting references, Word allows you to differentiate between books, book sections, journal & periodical articles, etc. If your references are mixed up, that suggests someone's made a mess of inputting them.
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I am using ISO 690 Number Referencing. I inputted the references and I haven't done anything different on some of these references. I just can't understand why it has put the author before the title on a number of references and others are author title followed by author. The references in the document are just numbers the way.

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Using ISO 690 Number Referencing, you bibliography should look something like:
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1. The Concise Oxford Dictionary. Ninth. Oxford : Clarendon Press, 1995.
2. Bendix, R. Max Weber: An intellectual Portrait. 1978. Berkley : University of California Press, 1977.
3. Jung, CJ. Memories, Dreams, Reflections. [ed.] A Jaffe. [trans.] R Winston and C Winston. New York : Pantheon, 1963.
4. Briggs-Myers, I and Myers, P B. Gifts Differing. Palo Alto : Consulting Psychologists Press Inc, 1980.
5. Vermaseren, M. Cybele and Attis: the Myth and the Cult. [trans.] A Lemmers. London : Thames and Hudson, 1977.
The only entries that might, perhaps, not begin with an author's name are those like encyclopedias where you have only an editor's name. Provided, you've input the editor's name, though, it would appear in place of the author. If both have been input, the author's name will appear after the publication name.
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It does for about 60% of the links, the others have the title before the author. I just can't understand what is wrong. I have checked the manage sources list and they are all ISO690 I have tried putting the author in the editor box.

Grrrrr this is really frustrating,

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If you can attach a blank document containing just the bibliography, I can take a look at it for you.

You can attach a document via the paperclip symbol on the 'Go Advanced' tab.
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Paul,

I have attached the document, thanks for this,

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Hi Grant,

It appears you've simply copied & pasted the bibliography into another document. This isn't sufficient. I need a copy of the document that contains the bibliography data. That's why it needs to be a blank copy of the document concerned.
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Paul,

Hopefully this will be ok, I just deleted all the text leaving the refences table ? references.docx

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Hi Grant,

If you look at item 5, you'll see that the author name appears after the article title. AFAIK, that is as per the ISO standard for a Journal article. To have the author's name appear first, you could change the bibliography entry type to 'Article in a Periodical', with 'Journal of Materials' as the 'Periodical Title'.

In item 15, the author names have been input incorrectly. The surnames and initials are reversed.

I note that you have some entries with 'et al'. AFAIK, that is incorrect and the bibliography entries should contain all the names. The 'et al' is OK only for the 2nd & subsequent citations in the body/footnotes. You also have an inconsistent use of periods with author initials.
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Paul,

Cheers for that, I will enter them all as periodicals in future and have corrected the names. Thanks for sorting that out for me, I've just got to go through all the rest of my references now !

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