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Hi I suppose its obvious that most people are using Word to create content for their website. That content is copied and pasted into their WSWG editor. From my experience I have published articles with few troubles.

At present those who do work for parish councils have to ensure their websites are accessible and meet the guidlines as set out WCAG 2.1 (Web Content Accessibility Guidlines). I am trying to ensure that any tables on my websites conform to the guidelines. The few tables that might be used for layout need to have role="presentation". Other tables should have a header and this means adding th statements. Tables need a header to conform to the WCAG. The trouble is that Word provides a solution, I think, in Table Tools>Layout>repeat Header Rows. An existing table needs a blank line above and descriptive labels added to each of the cells in that row. the Repeat Header Rows button is selected and I think that has done the job. Can anyone confirm that this is a suitable way to make tables accessible?




I have added a header using the description for using Word and run the page through WAVE webaim.org site. It was marked as a Layout Table!

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I have added a header using the description for using Word and run the page through WAVE webaim.org site. It was marked as a Layout Table!
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Most people developing websites do not use Word. It makes poor web pages and is miserable for managing a website. I'm still using Microsoft FrontPage 2003 which is far superior to Word for these purposes.
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I have posted a particular query Charles. The issue is not about developing websites it is about trying to ensure that material tht is posted to a parish council wesite is accessible and that needs to take account of WCAG 2.1 or the parish council could be breaking the law.
I have followed the guidance given by Word 2016 and the result is that a table is classed as being used for layout. Oh and by the way most people that use Office do not work in offices.
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most people that use Office do not work in offices.
Where do the majority of these people work Geoff? I would recommend they avoid the pool and other wet areas when using Office.

The result you get when you paste into a WYSIWYG editor will vary depending on which software powers the website AND which WYSIWYG editor plug-in you are using. Neither of these are under the control of MS Word. Do you have options to try other WYSIWYG editor plugins to see what results you get pasting?

The only way to ensure you have control over the html code such that it aligns with the particular WYSIWYG editor you are using is to convert the Word content into a HTML format and perhaps tinker with the code before importing it in 'code view'. Word's usual HTML content is riddled with word-specific tags which enable Word to reopen the file and lay it out according to Word's rules - unfortunately this produces very ugly code for direct html edits in websites. That is why Charles recommended using a HTML editor to create your HTML - it cuts out an extra authoring step.

If you REALLY want to start in Word, it is possible to create and run a macro to produce cleaned WCAG-compliant html for pasting into a code view of your site editing page. Others have provided code you could use as a starting point.
Convert table to html tags without using saveas option in word vba
https://www.joskingston.org/Htmltag/htmltaguser.doc
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The issue is not dependent on the transfer of a document into a WSWYG editor it is that Word does not include the option to produce a table that has the reccomended coding to enable a person who has to live with visual and other problems. In short Word does not comply with WCAG 2.1


What is needed is some code that identifes a table as containg data. I can request that my parish clerks who use Word to provide minutes and agendas for government meetings add a top line to their Word produced tables. I could for example copy and paste to Notepad++ and then add the code example:
<table>
<tr>
<th>Date</th>
<th>Event</th>
<th>Venue</th>
</tr>
<tr>
<td>12 February</td>
<td>Waltz with Strauss</td>
<td>Main Hall</td>
</tr>
</table>

At present parish clerks that I deal with do not even create a heading row for their tables.
Now I can do that but it is time consuming and I would need to charge for my time.

Alterntively, I could request that clerks add a header row for all tables
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Word is a content authoring tool, not a web authoring tool so it shouldn't be a big surprise that it doesn't comply with WEB CONTENT Guidelines.

I'm not sure what you are seeking. Word format is not web format. You can convert tables into web format either by copy paste in a wysiwyg editor (controlled by wysiwyg editor converting the rich text format in the clipboard) or by running a macro to convert a table to html code which can be pasted into a code editor which can then be displayed by the wysiwyg editor. If you need the <th> tags to be there without manual intervention then you should look to modify the macros linked in my previous post.
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Word is used by people to publish documents. There are 1.2 billion Office users and only 400 million are in a business environment. At present Word documents are used to create material for input by in my case CKEditor. CKEditor is not suitable for writing the minutes and agenders for over 10,000 British parish councils. Word has an accessibility checker (the Online 265 version does not).



Microsoft is not providing accessibile documents if it wont add the additional code to provide table headers for blind people.
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