Yes they are definitely different except for margins. I am just trying to create a flowchart that I will have hyperlinks to other parts of the target document. It will end up primarily as a PDF. I know whatever the design of the target document is will try to over write the original formatting of the source flowchart so I'm trying to find out how to work around that. Maybe it's not possible, I don't know. I also have Visio but not sure that would help either.